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Liberty is not libertinism

Kanchan Gupta

How blithely we abuse the Right for anything and everything that offends those who promote and practice unrestrained libertinism and are appalled that morals and scruples are still valued by the vast majority of the people of India. It is of little or no consequence to the critics of the Right that most of them lack the intellectual wherewithal to define and qualify the object of their hate. Despite the absence of any real understanding of what the Right stands for, in contrast to the Left, it is fashionable to mock at the former even for those whom the latter holds in utter contempt.

Hence the outpouring of abuse and worse against the Right following the attack on a pub in Mangalore, evocatively named Amnesia, by a bunch of goons masquerading as soldiers of Sri Ram Sena on January 24. Strangely, most of the scathing criticism of the Right has been voiced by those whose dissolute lifestyle sets them firmly apart from conservatives as well as liberals. It is doubtful whether the Left, leave alone the Right, would endorse the enterprise undertaken by The Consortium of Pubgoing, Loose and Forward Women to collect pink underwear, sneeringly referred to as ‘chaddis’, which will be sent to Pramod Muthalik and his hoodlums on Valentine’s Day this Thursday. There is nothing amusing about either this ‘creative’ protest or Union Minister of State for Women and Child Development Renuka Choudhury’s call for a ‘pub bharo andolan’; both merely highlight the moral bankruptcy of a certain segment of our urban society which seeks to impose on India the trailer park ‘culture’ that permeates every aspect of their lives.

The issue really isn’t one of culture and tradition, which are far too complex for those who look askance at responsible behaviour to comprehend, but the manner in which they view others who may refuse to embrace or applaud their lifestyle. It is also to do with perverse notions of ‘modernism’ and assertion of perverted ‘modernity’. For instance, The Consortium of Pubgoing, Loose and Forward Women — this Facebook group also has men as its members — would consider women who don’t consume alcoholic beverages or smoke cigarettes, wear saris and are not necessarily long-suffering wives who spend their lives as home-makers but in building successful careers, as ‘backward’.

They would view working women who travel in over-crowded buses and commuter trains and return home in the evening too tired to contemplate a night out on the tiles, or those who contribute to the family kitty to keep the home fire burning and, therefore, cannot afford the luxury of scoffing exotic cocktails at pubs, as losers deserving of their pity. The women who scrub floors, wash clothes and clean dishes to eke out subsistence wages from which they save money to pay for their children’s school fees and books, and are regularly beaten black and blue by their husbands after they have had their fill of liquor at ‘pubs’ which cater to the underclass, simply do not matter and, hence, are not worthy of The Consortium of Pubgoing, Loose and Forward Women’s attention.

There is also the aspect of duplicity, the double standards which are practiced by those who equate ‘pub culture’ and its attendant libertine self-indulgence with being ‘forward’ or ‘modern’. For example, a woman with the pallu of her sari firmly placed over her head will be sneered at as not only ‘backward’ but also a ‘conservative’ who is preventing society from moving ‘forward’. But a woman forced to clad herself in an all-enveloping burqa will be seen as being true to her ‘faith’ and ‘culture’, which only underscores the amazing ignorance of those who do the tagging.

Who is to tell The Consortium of Pubgoing, Loose and Forward Women, and their guardian angel Renuka Choudhury, that a vegetarian and a teetotaller, whether a man or a woman, who finds ‘pub culture’ abhorrent and distasteful, or those who reject conspicuous consumption since it clashes with their middle class values, can also be ‘forward’ and ‘modern’ in their personal lives?

Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar did not give up his sacred thread nor did he get rid of the tuft of hair that denoted his caste; he wore a short Bengali peasant’s dhuti and used a coarse cotton chaador to cover his torso. He was a scholar of Sanskrit who was barely able to make ends meet, leave alone indulge in the smallest of luxuries. Such a person would be an object of ridicule and worse for The Consortium of Pubgoing, Loose and Forward Women, especially the male members of the group who would burst into derisive laughter. That’s understandable. For those busy collecting pink chaddis would be blissfully ignorant of Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar’s pioneering role in championing women’s emancipation and promoting widow remarriage. Nor would they know about Raja Ram Mohun Roy who led a remarkable campaign for social reform without abandoning culture and tradition: The Brahmo Samaj was — and remains — grounded in India’s civilisational identity and cultural ethos while repudiating aberrations and excesses of faith.

A last point that merits elaboration is the disdain which the pink chaddi brigade and charlatans who pose as emancipators of women and ostensibly believe that emancipation lies in sipping Bacardi or chasing whiskey while blowing smoke rings have for local community sensitivities, which are often casually referred to as local culture and tradition. Just because lip-locking or similar public display of carnal attraction (which is not to be confused with love) raises no eyebrows in the West does not mean the East must ape the mating game. It is immaterial whether individuals are comfortable with licentious behaviour in front of others. What is material and important is whether those around the individuals — in a street, a park, a café or a restaurant — are comfortable with it; if they feel discomfited or outraged, then their sensitivities must over-ride the presumed right to make a spectacle of yourself in public.

None of this is in defence of Pramod Muthalik’s hooliganism. But to oppose misplaced and vulgar vigilantism is not to support the obnoxious celebration of ‘pub culture’. Liberty, after all, is not about libertinism nor is modernism to be confused with libertarianism. By idolising deracinated men and women who have scant regard for moral values and even less respect for ethical rectitude, we are promoting everything that is antithetical to our culture, our tradition. There really is no need to fashion our lifestyle after Sex and the City. But if informed — or should it be ill-informed? — adults elect to do so, it is their choice and they are welcome to it. Of course, provided they do not seek to impose it on others or demand approval, acceptance and applause.

kanchangupta@rocketmail.com


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Bullet Middle ground
By Shilpi on 2/16/2009 5:29:35 AM

I'll agree that we shouldn't seek to impose it on others, or demand approval, acceptance or applause. We do however ask for tolerance - nothing more. We have a different perception of what is right and wrong and our version doesn't hurt anybody (no more than your version does of course.) We do ask for the right to have a divergent belief nothing more. It's interesting because you've painted us as unaccepting, intolerant and disproving. I don't think we're like that.

Bullet liberty is not libertinism
By Syamal on 2/15/2009 9:28:52 PM

What a thoughtful article!! It takes courage to write such articles in the present India. Mr. Gupta deserves sincere thanks from many of us. It is pathetic that India is blindly importing culture now, particularly the decadent part of it, and feels proud of it. They have plenty of supporters among the so called 'intellectually superior' media editors and pundits. No wonder that the Indian rulers would like to award Bharat Ratna to Mr. Bush, the former US president.

Bullet Pub Bharo
By ab on 2/14/2009 11:53:45 PM

Kanchan Gupta is a fantastic writer, but this time he is talking utter rot.

Bullet Liberty is not libertinism
By vijay on 2/14/2009 12:50:15 PM

Using force is wrong, but idea behind the anti pub movement is right. Hats off to Mr. Gupta.

Bullet Modern?
By Ajay on 2/14/2009 5:33:27 AM

I can't stop laughing at the Indians in India who equate having a drink or clubbing every night as being 'modern' and ‘progressive’. You want to drink and do whatever but don’t try to think by doing so you are ‘modern’ because you wouldn't even last five minutes here in the West trying to be 'modern' among the real 'moderns'. If India wants to follow this confused lifestyle then be ready for teenage pregnancies, drug and alcohol abuse and teenage crime and every other breakdown of society of west

Bullet Pub attack
By Anusha C on 2/13/2009 9:44:27 PM

The whole controversy surrounding the pink chaddi campaign has taken away from the critism of self appointed guardians of Indian culture who are upholders who think they are justified in assaulting women who don't conform to their ideas of culture. People who believe in expressing their freedom, whether they do or do not support such a campaign are not necessarily ignorant about the contributions of people like Pandit Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar to the progress of women.

Bullet Assumptions and missing the point
By Stri on 2/13/2009 9:30:17 PM

I support the chaddi campaign.
I don't smoke, wear saris often, and rarely, if ever, visit the pub. In fact I go to the temple more often. I know who Vidyasgar is. I've spent a big part of my life working against domestic abuse. You have missed the whole point. Satire is clearly too complex for you, never mind culture and tradition.

Bullet Liberty is not libertinism
By Shaun Schon on 2/13/2009 3:19:18 PM

None of us try to force our values or culture down anyone's throat, so you show a clear bias. We don't go around lynching or molesting or abusing and eve teasing women, even though they may follow differing cultural standards or values. Yet we're at the receiving end??
Secondly, I'm not really into pubs, but I'm certainly going to make it a point to frequent them more often even if I don't drink. Try to stop us from doing something and you can be sure a lot more people are gonna do it.

Bullet Missing the whole point
By arun on 2/13/2009 2:31:30 PM

Guptaji, you've totally missed the point. The issue is not about whether these women have the moral standards to question Ram sena's activities, it's rather just voicing their opposition through some innovative way which as far as I can see isn't hurting anybody and doesn't involve kicking some girls in the guts. What these women discuss or think in the privacy of their living rooms is non of your or my business. And so long as they don't "forcibly" start imposing their "sex and city" lifestyle.

Bullet What would Mr. Gupta do?
By Rach on 2/13/2009 9:20:27 AM

Clearly Mr. Gupta, you missed the parody behind the whole Facebook group and the pink chaddi brigade. It was an absolute waste of time reading your really long biased and misinformed point of view that has made a lot of questionable assumptions. Did you also miss the reference to Mark Pompous Cuban in the subject ! ?

Bullet liberties
By venky on 2/12/2009 10:37:21 PM

Come on Mr Gupta, you miss the main point (& the irony behind the pink clothes). The consortium is saying it stands for the freedom of choice of any adult person and in this case women, to go where they want to without getting attacked by hooligans. They are not asking anybody to go to a pub and get drunk are they? And in many western places pubs are not a mainly getting drunk place, but rather a socialising meeting place whatever they drink or not. Don't get worked up ....

Bullet Individual freedoms
By Ravi on 2/12/2009 10:29:05 PM

The point of this movement is to protect the individual rights of people. If someone wants to spend their life in a pub, or live in a frugal manner (like Vidyasagar), it is THEIR choice. The Consortium is not beating people and/or threatening them to follow their lifestyle. If someone does so, they deserve as much criticism as the Ram Sena is getting. This has nothing to do with modernity, the issue here is INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.

Bullet get over your self
By ris on 2/12/2009 6:32:07 PM

When Ishwar Chand Vidyasagar was fighting for womens equal right, their development and mordenism and education / work for women ETC ETC..I am sure he had no clue what he would get to see in todays night clubs in INDIA. Ever go to one...I often vsit them ad I love them but it is not doing anytihng for women in India

Bullet Oh, get over yourself
By Shyamala Edwards on 2/12/2009 3:05:45 PM

Could you GET more pompous, Mr Gupta? Or miss the point of the campaign more? The point is the FREEDOM for women to go to pubs if they want to. It's not a drive to recruit more women and encourage profligate drinking! Get over yourself and see things the way they are, instead of writing inflammatory rubbish!
shyam69@gmail.com

Bullet Out of touch with reality
By shilpi sen on 2/12/2009 1:28:48 PM

I think Mr Kanchan Gupta is out of touch with reality. In his article it is evident that he sees things in mutually exclusive compartments. It is apparent that he believes that there are two sets of women: pub going and 'libertinian' and traditional. This cannot be any further from the truth. In fact, women who fall into such restrictive categories are a minority and represent the fringes. Most women are somewhere in between

Bullet I disagree completely !
By Vijay Krishna on 2/12/2009 9:33:35 AM

Kanchan Gupta is completely distorting the "Consortium" whom I completely support. The point is a satirical blast back at the Pramod Muthalik type goons running amuck and laying waste to the values we cherish dearly. Who said that consortium types would look down on hardworking middle class women or reformist men ? I completely support the Consortium and for a living I work for a social trust that works towards providing water for the economically and socially vulnerable.

Bullet Point Lost
By Ritu on 2/12/2009 9:25:33 AM

A judgmental and silly article that has completely missed the point. The point is not 'to pub or to not pub' the point is can a citizen of India indulge in activities completely sanctioned by law?

I do not go to pubs have alcohol once in a blue-moon and find pubs noisy and smoky places and not my type of night-out. Yet, I support this Pink Chaddi campaign because it is about being able to do what you want to do.

Bullet Liberty is not libertinism
By Mahesh R on 2/12/2009 4:22:12 AM

To people like Sandeep.

Endorsing this campaign even if you are a teetotaler, gives the impression that drinking is something ok , cool and solely a matter of personal choice. Which is even more dangerous in the long run.

Bullet Liberty is not libertinism
By subahu on 2/12/2009 1:20:26 AM

It's amusing to read the posts mostly by MCP's who want to dominate their women and may also indulge in henious acts such as wife beating dowry demands and illtreatment to the fairer sex. Trying to vhmently supress their right to equality.the pink brigade and ms chowdry are not forcing pub culture but opposing the suppression of womens freedom

Bullet two faces of the same devil
By Shilpa on 2/11/2009 11:20:59 PM

By writing this article, and trying to degrade the men and women who dare to oppose the sena in their own chosen ways, you have only demonstrated that you are but another version of the moral police, only, not the beat up everyone kind. Who are we to say some women are degraded and some are not only judging by whether they are the pubbing sort or not?

Bullet two sides, same coin
By milieu on 2/11/2009 11:01:11 PM

Both the Muthalik goons and pub bharo andolan are extremists and attention-seekers without a valid cause to champion them. But if I have to make a choice, then I would pub bharo. The Muthalik goons used violence while the pub bharo havent used it so far.

Bullet Liberty is not libertinism
By M. L. KAUL on 2/11/2009 9:25:42 PM

Would any enterprising journalist kindly tell us wherefrom did this Ram Sena and Pramod Muthalik spring. Nobody had heard of these while elections to the state assembly were on, and a new government took over. Puts me in mind of the pre-independence days. Put a dead cow outside a temple, or a dead pig outside a masjid. Start a small fracas. The rest will take care of itself. Hope you got the hang of what I am trying to convey.

Bullet pub culture
By Anupam on 2/11/2009 7:30:03 PM

Wants to impose the pub culture so that the biggest exporter of Drugs, Colombia and biggest exporter of PANTY Bridgade Italy benifit. By the way VALENTINE was an ITALIAN so. RENUKA CHOWDHARY IS NOBODY TO DECIDE WHAT WE DO, AND IF SHE HAS GUTS LET HER REMOVE INDAIN TAXPAYER SECURITY AND THEN MEET US ON STREETS WITH HER CHADDI BRIGADE AND "IMMORAL MEDIA"

Bullet WELL SAID
By G.S. SHETTY DUBAI on 2/11/2009 5:47:39 PM

I FOUND THE ARTICLE A REALLY GOOD ONE. EVEN I CONDEMN THE ASSAULT ON THE GIRLS, BUT WHY THE PEOPLE SUPPORTING THOSE PERSON WHO SAYS PUB CULTURE IS GOOD I DON'T UNDERSTAND. I DIDN'T GET TO SEE ANY ARTICLE ABOUT THE PARENTS OF ASSAULTED GIRLS SAYING ANY THING ABOUT THERE DAUGHTER'S ATTACK, I GUESS THEY ALSO KNOW THAT ITS A WRONG CULTURE. SO WHY PEOPLE MAKE SO MUCH HUNGAMA ALL OVER AND ABOUT MS RENUKA CHOWDHARY WERE SHE WAS WHEN BOYS AND GIRLS CAUGHT ON RAGE PARTY

Bullet Pub bharo. May I ask why?
By Raj on 2/11/2009 5:19:22 PM

What a timid article. I fully agree with the author. Its a pity that those at the helm of governance of a nation of a billion find it right to allow a non-issue like pub to take the centre stage in the national discourse as if all the pressing problems like poverty, unemployment, terrorism etc. have been resolved. To top it further comments like "lets do Pub Bharo" by a minister in the centre only highlights how directionless the country has become under UPA Government.

Bullet WHAT IF .....
By Yogeet Sharma, damars@rediffmail.com on 2/11/2009 4:33:36 PM

Kanchan Ji, Thanx a lot for NOT joining the "panty-brigade" against Mr. Muthalik. If I was Muthalik, I would had returned the "favour" in such an apt manner that would had made the sponsors of the smeer campaign cursed the day they entertained such an idea. The TV channels which are challenging Muthalik's right of "moral-policing" must be asked as to who has given them the right to moral police Muthalik's men or "educate" Indian youth on tenets of "modernity"

Bullet Liberty for whom
By Ashok Kumar on 2/11/2009 4:05:17 PM

Only handful men and women are making hue and cry at the cost of rest of the people who is civilised and understand the value of indian culture. Freedome does not give to ignore own civilisation and culture. Pub goers are just following the western culture without realising that how much westrn people are satisfied if we compare with ours. Where people are chaging their spouse just as clothes and their famility are celebrating 5th,6th, ...... marriage.

Bullet Some hypocrites
By Anupam on 2/11/2009 2:58:08 PM

The pub cultured, drunkards and drug addicts, as also the drug mafia lot, who might be running the "pub bharo" andolan because of Drug's mafia's main connection with Colombia and Italy. Lot of drug crazed, drunkard in swim suits and chaddis on roads are here talking about choices.

Bullet tiring!
By Kesava M. on 2/11/2009 2:34:39 PM

Why is west always given its unfair share of vulgarity and carnality? and why is it always the counterpoint in making arguments for centuries old traditions and culture? Because, its always the low-hanging fruit and the easiest blows?

Bullet Liberty is not libertinism
By B S GANESH on 2/11/2009 2:28:06 PM

Kanchan Gupta has written nicely. Whatever our worthy/unworthy politicians say about the pub culture, I can say this culture degrades our country. In fact any type of liquor, whether whisky or brandy or any thing is bad for health and induces crimes and poverty also. Particularly women going and practicing pub culture is detremental to their family life. For any work we do we must think of possible future consequences.

Bullet Pub culture
By V V S Prasad on 2/11/2009 1:37:09 PM

Mr Kanchan Gupta rightly pointed out the majority silent people's views. The pub cultured women are in very much in minoity and and trying to influence the live styles of the majority cultured women in this country. Do the majority dont have their right to protect their values and culture. Then why not allow open prostitution?Why societies object prostitutes in their building and neighbourhood.
Renuka chowadary has to answer first her collegue Mr Ramdoss who is gainst Pub culture.
Let her

Bullet Liberty is not libertinism (Kanchan Gupta)
By Chamundi, Mysore on 2/11/2009 1:30:48 PM

I am a woman from the middle class, I am educated,
I am a teacher, I don't drink, smoke or swear
Or do anything that our moral brethren abhor.
But I abhor THEM, and laud the Pink Chaddi campaign.


Bullet Liberty is not libertinism
By shalboni on 2/11/2009 1:04:25 PM

pubs have been part of Indian culture for ages.

Bullet Well said
By Tathagata Mukherjee on 2/11/2009 12:12:29 PM

The example of Vidyasagar is rightly used by Kanchan'da here. See, this issue is bring driven by: (1) A section of Christian fanatics who themselves oppse Da Vinci Code, or even Darwin, (2) a section of TRP hungry media, (3) foreign funded NGOs, (4) A section of politicians. Similar situation was seen in mid-late 19th century Calcutta, and we saw rise of Swami Vivekand and others. Today, deliberate attempt is being made by above 4 groups to destroy underlying culture of India.

Bullet liberty
By SK on 2/11/2009 12:00:24 PM

After everything, it is individual choice..........

Bullet Great article PIONEER
By Anupam on 2/11/2009 10:50:40 AM

Thanks a lotr atleast PIONEER for the brilliant expose, on the Vulgar, gutter, ultrawesternised, corrupt, amorous, filthy, decandant, deranged, uneducated, uncultured section of Traitor Filthy rich trash, and the demented slt Renuka who wants to propogate her ITALIAN BOSS "values" exemplified above. Remeber the same demented, deranged, nude filthy rich trash came with candles on streets WHEN THEIR PUB TAJ WAS ATTACKED.

Bullet That's not the point
By Sandeep on 2/11/2009 9:22:04 AM

You've completely missed the point behind 'pub bharo andolan' and the facebook consortium.
Its about the freedom to make the choice to visit a pub, to drink if you want to, to smoke, to do any thing which doesn't impinge on the freedom of others or cause harm to them, direct or indirect.
I'm a male, and I'm a member of that facebook consortium, and I don't drink, and like me, there are many other teetotallers, who've made a personal choice not to drink.

Bullet Extreme action and much more extreme and vulgar reactions !!!
By KSV SUBRAMANIAN on 2/11/2009 8:40:53 AM

Mahatma Gandhiji advocated prohibition for He saw how alcohol destroys homes. When people spend more on liquor than on staple food, there is something terribly wrong. What the so called Rama Sena goons did is wrong. But the reaction to it much more dangerous viz. pub bharo agitation. "Refuse the first" is the dictum as far as alcohol, smoking etc., are concerned. There is every possibility of one getting graduated from beer to hard liquor.

Bullet Evolution of Congress party: 'Jail bharo' to 'Pub bharo'
By Bharat on 2/11/2009 5:05:39 AM

Shame on today's Congress party that has been degraded to the point that it is calling for 'pub bharo' as the national ethic. This also shows the level of thinking that exists among people in the corridors of power. This is decadence in action in the system of governance. The Indira Congress party is long dead with her. Remove Congress party from the national scene to save India.

Bullet Liberty is not libertinism
By Vinod Sharma on 2/11/2009 12:55:52 AM

Liberals did not go out forcing people to go to pubs against their wishes. On the other hand Ram Sena goons went around beating people enjoying a drink by themselves. Being liberal is fine. But why criticize? And more importantly why be upset of being criticized for being a conservative when he is doing the same to liberals?

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